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In response to Russia Fires
Back With More Sanctions: NASA, Pepsi, McDonald's, Autos in Spotlight a close friend responded "It's a small price to pay to counter naked aggression."
- Naked aggression by whom? Who started this mess?
- Who fomented the overthrow of former Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych.? Was it Russia or the US?
- What country reneged on promises to not expand NATO into Eastern Europe? Was it Russia or the US?
- What country has satellite coverage of the region and has failed to produce any evidence as to where Buk missile launchers were on the day MH17 crashed? Russia or the US?
- What country stood the most to gain from the downing of MH17?
- Why was MH17 rerouted far from its normal flight path to fly directly over a war zone?
But what the heck? Let's ignore all those pointed questions. Let's also ignore the Gulf of Tonkin resolution in Vietnam, an asinine war in Iraq, support for "moderate" rebels in Syria who in retrospect turned out to be Isis members, horrific errors in Afghanistan, lies that led us into war with Iraq, US involvement in the overthrow of the Shah of Iran, etc., etc..
And with virtually no evidence presented, please wrap yourself in the US flag, along with president Obama and senator John McCain, and believe every lie the US has to tell.
Because it's a "small price to pay".
Goering at the Nuremberg Trials
Please recall what Reichsmarschall Hermann Wilhelm Göring (in English his name is also spelled as Hermann Goering) Nazi founder of the Gestapo, Head of the Luftwaffe, said at the Nuremberg Trials.
Here is a clip of the interview in Goering's cell in prison, after the war.
Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.Well forget all that. Let's also forget about the lack of any evidence to date by the US. Let's instead depend on Ukrainian social media tweets, and be willing to march to war with Russia, China, Iran, anyone and everyone.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
Should that happen, don't worry. After all, my friend says "It's a small price to pay".
The Hitler Card
In a subsequent email, my friend played the Hitler Card with this set of statements:
"Invading and annexing sovereign territory and their actions to destabilize a country which violates every major international agreement they have signed relating to the subject since 1945 is a major and egregious. It seems to me little different than Japanese actions in Asia in the early 1930s and German actions in 1938 and German/Russian actions in 1938-39. It is that international system that produced that peace that is now under attack. Letting that system fail would be idiocy and we will not let it happen."Comparisons to Hitler are inane. My friend should know better. Hitler wanted to exterminate Jews, create a master race, and rule the world.
In contrast, Putin does not want NATO missiles on his doorstep, much like the US did not want them in Cuba.
Ukraine is in the state of civil war. Russia supplies weapons. Did the US supply weapons or aid to rebels in the Syrian civil war? How stupid was that?
At least Russia has a clear, understandable, and decidedly un-Hitleristic reason for his actions.
The history of Crimea shows an association with Russia since 1783. And a large portion of the population in Eastern Ukraine speaks Russian, not Ukrainian.
My friend finds the overthrow of the former president of Viktor Yanukovych quite acceptable (even though the US had a hand it), but somehow a vote by Crimea to rejoin Russia is invalid. What hypocrisy.
Now he supports the ridiculous notion of an "international system that produced peace".
Vietnam in the 60s? Iraq numerous times? Afghanistan? Egypt? Syria?
Just because there has been peace between Germany and France since WWII, let's not assume the cause is an "international system of peace".
No Price Too High
"Letting that system fail would be idiocy and we will not let it happen," says my friend.
Apparently no price is too high to pay to make sure Russia does not get away with annexation of Crimea, even though over 90% of Crimea voted that way. Rigged or not, it's safe to assume an overwhelming majority supported that view.
Sanctions, trade wars, shutoff of gas to Europe, no-fly zones over Russia, and punishment of Russian citizens who had nothing to do with this mess are all fair game to teach Russia a lesson, and make it comply.
The indiscriminate bombings by the Ukrainian army smack in civilian population centers are clearly fair game in the name of international peace. And let's ignore Ukrainians Ordered to War, Women Burn the Military Writs
"We will not let it happen!"
Such arrogance, coupled with idiotic comparisons to Hitler and the constant promotion of war from warmongers on both sides of the aisle (especially senator John McCain), could precipitate the next world war.
But don't worry, WWIII with Russia would be a "small price to pay" to maintain an "international system of peace".
Mike "Mish" Shedlock